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Asked 14th Jul, 2015
  • EMBL, Grenoble

Can bacterial competent cells carry three antibiotic resistance gene on three different plasmids?

i have rosetta game DE3 cells which has chloramphenicol resistance marker gene, it was transformed with one plasmid having ampicillin resistance marker gene and then i made competent cells out of these transformed cells.
now i wanted to transform it with one more plasmid having kanamycin resistance marker gene, i was not able to get any single transformed bacterial colony on Amp-Chl-Kan LB-Agar plate.
is it related to number of antibiotic resistance marker or number/size of the plasmid which can be retained by E. coli cells?

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Xilin Zhao
Xiamen University School of Public Health
There are mainly 3 compatible plasmid replication origins in E. coli: p15A, pSC101, and  coliE1.  Other  origins are less likely used in common plasmid vectors.  Please check whether your 3 markers are located in plasmids having different origins. 
If they do have different origins, you can use kan alone or Kan plus Amp for selection and then score colonies one agar containing Cm, Kan, or Amp to find out which one confers resistance to all three.  Having all 3 antibiotics on the same agar sometimes slows colony grow a lot so that you may need to incubate your plate for 2-3 days before colonies can show up.

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David Lubkowicz
National University of Singapore
Hey, I have multiple strains of E. coli that carry 3 plasmids with 3 different antibiotic markers. So, there is no problem in using 3 or even 4 different antibiotics for selection. The two most important factors for successful transformations with multiple plasmids are:
1. The replicons have to be compatible. Some plasmids can not be transformed together (http://openwetware.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli/Vectors#Replicon_compatibility)
2. The plasmids should not have any leaky expression of toxic proteins. 
Hope that helps. Good luck!
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David Lubkowicz
National University of Singapore
Hey, I have multiple strains of E. coli that carry 3 plasmids with 3 different antibiotic markers. So, there is no problem in using 3 or even 4 different antibiotics for selection. The two most important factors for successful transformations with multiple plasmids are:
1. The replicons have to be compatible. Some plasmids can not be transformed together (http://openwetware.org/wiki/Escherichia_coli/Vectors#Replicon_compatibility)
2. The plasmids should not have any leaky expression of toxic proteins. 
Hope that helps. Good luck!
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Gaurav Kumar
Catalent Pharma Solutions
yes, we can have multiple resistant marker depending on the compatibility and requirement. 
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Yogi Yogiara
Atma Jaya Catholic University of Indonesia
Yes, it can.  The important thing is you have to make sure that all of three plasmids have different incompatibility (inc) group, so that the plasmid can stably coexist in the same E.coli cells.
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It is possible even we have E. coli with 7 plasmids. You have to observe only the compatibility as mentioned by Yogi and Gaurav.
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Xilin Zhao
Xiamen University School of Public Health
There are mainly 3 compatible plasmid replication origins in E. coli: p15A, pSC101, and  coliE1.  Other  origins are less likely used in common plasmid vectors.  Please check whether your 3 markers are located in plasmids having different origins. 
If they do have different origins, you can use kan alone or Kan plus Amp for selection and then score colonies one agar containing Cm, Kan, or Amp to find out which one confers resistance to all three.  Having all 3 antibiotics on the same agar sometimes slows colony grow a lot so that you may need to incubate your plate for 2-3 days before colonies can show up.

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